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Talk pages

Talk pages are a key feature of the Scratch Wiki, offering the ability to discuss articles and other issues with other editors. They are not to be used as a chat room, soapbox, battleground or for general discussion of the article topic.

If you have a question, concern, or comment related to improving an article, put a note in the article's talk page and not in the article itself. You do that by clicking the "discussion" tab at the top of the page. Do not worry if the link shows up in red; it is okay to create the talk page if it does not already exist.

If you are responding to someone else's remarks, put your comment below theirs. You should indent it properly (see section below). If you're not responding to someone else, but are posting about something new, use the "Comment" tab at the top of the talk page to create a new section, which automatically goes at the bottom of the page.

You should always sign your comments by typing  ~  for your username plus a time signature. Then, when you click "Save page", your signature will be inserted automatically. Otherwise, your posting will still appear but without your name. (For your convenience, there is a button at the top of the edit box with a signature icon which inserts "--~" when clicked.

User talk pages
Every editor (every person with a username) has a user talk page on which other contributors can leave messages. If someone has left you a message, you will see a note across the top of Scratch Wiki pages (if you're signed in) saying "You have new messages", with a link to your user talk page.

You can reply in either of two ways. One is to put a message on the user talk page of the person you are replying to. The other is to put your reply on your own talk page beneath the original message. Both are common on the Scratch Wiki; however, be aware that replying on your own talk page runs the risk that your reply won't be seen, if the user does not look at your talk page again. If you intend to use this approach, it is a good idea to post a notice to that effect, at the top of your talk page, so people know they have to keep an eye on the page to see your response, rather than getting your response on their page.

Indenting
Indenting can improve the layout of a discussion considerably, making it much easier to read. A standard practice is to indent your reply one level deeper than the person you are replying to.

There are several ways of indenting on the Scratch Wiki:

Plain indentations
The simplest way of indenting is to place a colon (:) at the beginning of a line. The more colons you put, the further indented the text will be. A newline (pressing Enter or Return) marks the end of the indented paragraph. If a conversation has too many indents, you can use outdent to continue without using too many indents. This is recommended when the discussion has reached 6 or 7 indents.

For example:
 * This is aligned all the way to the left.
 *  : This is indented slightly.
 *  :: This is indented more.
 *  ::: This is indented more.
 *  :::: This is indented more.
 *  ::::: This is indented more.
 *  :::::: This is indented more.</tt>
 *  This is an outdent.</tt>

is shown as:
 * This is aligned all the way to the left.
 * This is indented slightly.
 * This is indented more.
 * This is indented more.
 * This is indented more.
 * This is indented more.
 * This is indented more.

This is an outdent.

Bullet points
You can also indent using bullets, which are also used for lists. To insert a bullet (when your edit is saved), type an asterisk (*</tt>). Similar to indentation, more asterisks in front of a paragraph means more indentation.

A brief example:
 *  * First list item</tt>
 *  * Second list item</tt>
 *  ** Sub-list item under second</tt>
 *  * Third list item</tt>

Which is shown as:
 * First list item
 * Second list item
 * Sub-list item under second
 * Third list item

Numbered items
You can also create numbered lists. For this, use the number sign or "octothorpe" (#</tt>). This is usually used for polls and voting, and otherwise is fairly rare. Again, you can affect the indent of the number by the number of #</tt>s you use.

Example:
 *  # First item</tt>
 *  # Second item</tt>
 *  ## Sub-item under second item</tt>
 *  # Third item</tt>

Shows up as:
 * First item
 * Second item
 * Sub-item under second item
 * Third item

Example discussion
Here is an example of a well-formatted discussion:

Hi. I have a question about this article. I'm pretty sure purple elephants only live in New York! JayRandumWikiUser 02:49, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * Well, last time I was in New York, the elephants I saw were green. &mdash; try2BEEhelpful 17:28, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * I think you should find a source for your claims. Living &times; Skepticism 20:53, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * Okay, these elephant journals agree with me:
 * Elephants Monthly
 * Elephants World
 * &mdash; try2BEEhelpful 19:09, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * Well, those two sources are unreliable. According to New York City Animal Control, there are no elephants, purple or otherwise, in New York outside of zoos. IloveNYC&elephants 17:28, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * I live in Australia, where the elephants look like kangaroos! The people below agree with my statement: -DontGdayMateMe 17:28, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * ElefantLuvr 01:22, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * AisleVoteOnAnything 05:41, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * alittlebehindthetimes 18:39, 27 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * I think you should have a source. Remember verifiability. IloveNYC&elephants 20:56, 28 Jan 2004

Note that if you want to include a list in your comments, add colons before each item, for example:


 *  ::: Okay, these elephant journals agree with me: </tt>
 *  ::: * Elephants Monthly </tt>
 *  ::: * Elephants World </tt>
 * <tt> ::: ~ </tt>

- Again, signing your message (posting) is done by:
 * Writing ~ for your name and date (try2BEEhelpful 19:09, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC))

You can add a signature only, or a date only, but this is unusual. Here's how:
 * Writing for the name (try2BEEhelpful), or
 * Writing for the date only (19:09, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)).

Votes are often signed with names only.

Experiment
Experiment! This time, instead of editing a sandbox, leave a message on the talk page by clicking "Discuss this page" or "Discussion". Remember to sign your username. You might want to try responding to someone else's post. Remember, you should use "Show preview" to see if your formatting works before you save.

Try a sample discussion at this page's |discussion page

Other project pages
In addition to Talk pages, there are some other categories of behind-the-scenes pages that help editors communicate with each other, and serve a variety of other roles in building the Scratch Wiki. These different areas are often referred to as namespaces &mdash; as in, "the Talk namespace".

Pages in the Scratch Wiki namespace (also known as the "project namespace") provides information about the Scratch Wiki and how to use it.

Content written in a Template page will be displayed in articles that contain the corresponding template reference. For example, the content written in Template:Stub will appear in any article that contains the tag.

All of these project pages also have Talk pages of their own.

For more information, see Help:Namespaces.

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