Test-Scratch-Wiki talk:Community Portal

Not done:
❌ (will never be done, because there will always be a need for Threads hat need "long time and hard work") Threads that need "long time and hard work" will not be archived, but moved to Test-Scratch-Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Not_Done (or Shortcut: S:CPND). Actually you can read and continue following threads there: Mtwoll (talk) 17:20, 25 February 2016 (MET)
 * CPND

ToDo Table Updated: New Lines + Columns
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I added a few lines and columns to or Test-Scratch-Wiki:To-Do.

@All: Please have a look where you can fill in your name or other information. We could also Link certain ToDos-lines to CP-Sections, were the ToDos are discussed. Mtwoll (talk) 15:20, 8 November 2015 (MET) Alright! S-zhangcha (talk) 18:17, 31 March 2018 (CEST)

Also, what do you mean by ToDos? I'm lost. S-zhangcha (talk) 18:18, 31 March 2018 (CEST)

Essential Tasks before going public official
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We should define which Task of our ToDo are essential before going public. As Fra:Scratch_Wiki_Accueil shows we are already "kind of in-official public" and I am happy that user:Smrman is so active in the French Scratch Wiki (with help of user:Lederniersamourai and user:LiFaytheGoblin, see: Test-Scratch-Wiki:Test_Scratch_Wikis).

So should we tell everybody that they can start? Or do you think there are some points at ToDo that must be finished before that? Which? And who will take responsibility for that points (doing it himself or searching until somebody is found who can do it)? What do you think?

I hope we don't have points at ToDo that stop us from continuing? (Blocks Plugin????) Mtwoll (talk) 15:17, 20 November 2015 (MET)
 * The blocks plugin is already updated, and we have since added several more help pages. Hence, this topic seems done. Is that try Mtwoll? ErnieParke (talk) 13:43, 26 February 2016 (MET)

Non-english languages only in Namspaced Articles!
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I saw that sombody changed Help:Contents (that's linked to the Main-menue!) to italien language (perhaps by accident?). It is very important that we use non-english language only in "Namspaced"-Articles, so Ita:Help:Contents would be allright. We should search a solution how to make also the help-menu "forign language friendly". What do you think? Mtwoll (talk)
 * And Help:Welcome. What do you mean foreign language friendly? Do you mean a sidebar more obvious so people won't accidently do what happened above? KrIsMa (talk) 07:14, 3 January 2016 (MET)

Yes! I think i found a solution by transfering the italien translations to separate articles made separate Italien-Sub-Menus for it in the MediaWiki:Sidebar and changed the overwritten articles back to its old english versions: I also made a kind of "Translation Menubar (as a first try) at the top of the pages. We should have a more professional template for that...I'm also not sure if this is the right way (Interwiki? But that doesn't work because of language-spaces...)
 * Ita:Test Scratch Wiki Home (was at Test_Scratch_Wiki_Home)
 * Ita:Pagina Iniziale (got a new menu-point, because Ita:Test Scratch Wiki Home replaced it's old menu-point
 * Ita:Help:Contents (was at Help:Contents)
 * Ita:Aiuto:Benvenuto (was at Help:Welcome)
 * Ita:Portale_Comunità (I made it new because I think the italien people need a separate Portal for italien discussions, a porblem occurred with the name Ita:Portale Comunità/Header because template-pages at "non template namespaces" behave something special, now it works but only because I moved it to Scratch_Wiki_talk:Italien_Portale_Comunità/Header)

What do you think? Mtwoll (talk) 08:36, 3 January 2016 (MET)

Please care for your userpages!
❌ - Not all userpages look really convincing here

Could you all create or tell the other authors to create their userpages? I know that many of you have already great userpages at your homewiki, but if we get more and more authors here, well done userpages of the other authors could make them feel more comfortable. I saw that there were many empty userpages and deleted them all to have red links again at Special:ListUsers if there is no content. Mtwoll (talk) 11:41, 3 January 2016 (MET)
 * Agreed!AghaCool (talk) 16:56, 4 January 2016 (MET)
 * I think I have a resolution for this. Not everyone reads the CP so we post a message on their talk page. :D -MysteryMaker- (talk) 21:03, 27 February 2016 (MET)

Could integrated Google Translate help us?
❌ - it is making big grammar and vocabulary mistakes

What do you think of Template:Translatemenu ? Mtwoll (talk) 11:57, 5 January 2016 (MET)
 * I don't think a translate feature will really help at all, even though it might help people from languages that we don't support yet. ErnieParke (talk) 23:23, 21 January 2016 (MET)
 * 100% support from me! That is a brilliant idea! :D -MysteryMaker- (talk) 21:02, 27 February 2016 (MET)
 * As I recall, a requirement for starting your own wiki is that you are a native speaker of your language - Google Translate is not a substitute for actually knowing the language. I don't think integrated Google Translate should be a thing here. 07:40, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I think Google Translate doesn't help us because Google Translate is translating wrong.Google Translate is making big grammar and vocabulary mistakes.My feedback is:"Yes,it can work little notes etc. but if we use in article,it will make big grammar and vocabulary mistakes,therefore we don't need that." 14:42, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Can we update out favicon?
✅ - Who of our (FTP/Sysop)-Admins (see here) does it?

It is showing up as a blank page for me on Chrome. KrIsMa (talk) 23:52, 5 January 2016 (MET)
 * I would like some of our admins to do it ;-) Mtwoll (talk) 16:35, 21 January 2016 (MET)

Thursday Updates
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Hi everyone! I am here with some good news: The Scratchblocks extension is now installed on the Test Wiki! That means you can write scratchblocks code in any article. The really good news is that you can use many languages, not just English. The full supported list is here:

ja, pl, he, fr, ca, ru, es, id, it, ko, de, nb, tr, zh_CN, pt, nl, el

Here is an example:

define dance (speed) gehe (10) er-schritt borrar // Comentario attendre (1) secondes répéter indéfiniment dire (numero a caso tra (1) e (10)) per (2) secondi assigna a [testing v] el valor [0] end ErnieParke (talk) 23:09, 21 January 2016 (MET)
 * You win the awesome-award of the month! - LiFaytheGoblin (Talk|Contributions) 23:28, 21 January 2016 (MET)
 * Great! I'm happy that Peter and Ernie made that possible! I hope this will also get to Github and the other international scratch-wikis soon. Mtwoll (talk) 15:17, 22 January 2016 (MET)

Community Portal must be archived + used + internationalized
❌ - Who does it?

While adding ✅ and ❌ I found out, that we urgently need a CP-Archive: The CP is already much to long and so demotivates our authors from reading and using it. Mtwoll (talk) 15:31, 22 January 2016 (MET)
 * Who could build and demo-use a CP-Archive and use it like in the en:SWT:CP?
 * Who could tell/teach our international wiki-newbee-authors how to use the CP, so we get them in communication here?
 * Who could build up and make a start to the foreign language CP's like Ita:Portale_Comunità?
 * 1. I can do that - LiFaytheGoblin (Talk|Contributions) 14:05, 8 February 2016 (MET)

Great! Thanks LiFay! Mtwoll (talk) 17:31, 25 February 2016 (MET)

Do we need the German and Indonesian Demo Wiki Links in the Sidebar?
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^ The pages don't look very good and I think we already have good test wikis that demonstrate how the test wiki works. - LiFaytheGoblin (Talk|Contributions) 14:05, 8 February 2016 (MET)
 * I agree. Having both of them is a bit cluttering. ErnieParke (talk) 17:49, 19 February 2016 (MET)
 * I also think we don't nee the Indonesien Demo any more. Mtwoll (talk)

Removed :) - LiFaytheGoblin (Talk|Contributions) 16:26, 25 February 2016 (MET)
 * Great! Thanks LiFay! Mtwoll (talk) 17:31, 25 February 2016 (MET)

Communication-culture in the international Scratch-Wiki CPs
I think we urgently must find a way to establish this Community Portal for questions and discussions concerning the international Wikis (Test-Wiki but also the existing other wikis). And we must also establish the CPs of the other languages like Ita:Portale_Comunità and Spa:Portal_de_la_comunidad. I think the international wikis would grow better in quality and quantity, if we could establish a communication-culture here, like there is one at en:Scratch_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal. What do you think? Is that true? And if: How could we go it? Mtwoll (talk) 17:40, 25 February 2016 (MET)
 * Yes, that definitely be helpful. The question is, how do we encourage a culture like that? Also, is fragmenting the CP at a time like this a good idea? If we have a separate CP for each language, then I imagine the individual CP might not be used much. If they are used, that is great, but will they be used? ErnieParke (talk) 13:46, 26 February 2016 (MET)

Activate our new user?
If you have a look at Special:ListUsers you see that that we have many useres that didn't any contribute jet and even did not edit their user-profile. We must get better! How?`Your Suggestions? Mtwoll (talk) 18:05, 25 February 2016 (MET)


 * I have a good idea. Threaten to delete their accounts if they don`t become more active and edit pages. :D -MysteryMaker- (talk) 08:18, 26 February 2016 (MET)

I don't think that this is a good idea because I think they are not editing because they don't know how. So coaching them could help more than threatening them. But what do you others think? Mtwoll (talk) 23:53, 26 February 2016 (MET)

My Turkish Test Wiki
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Hi everyone! I was wondering if Turkish Scratch Wiki Home could possibly be added to the list of Test Wikis on the side bar. It is already added on the Test Wikis page but I would like it to be added to the side bar under Test! Thanks! -MysteryMaker- (talk) 08:16, 26 February 2016 (MET)


 * Thank you to whoever added it there! :D -MysteryMaker- (talk) 21:29, 26 February 2016 (MET)

Tools - Email This User - Not Working
Hi everyone! I thought I should notify you that the Email This User tool is not working.

I emailed LiFaytheGoblin earlier today using the Email This User feature/tool. I then left a message on her talk page saying that I requested for a copy of the email sent to me and I have not yet had it sent to me. When LiFaytheGoblin saw the message I put on her talk page, she said that she hasn`t received an email either. It was since then that I have figured out that the Email This User tool is broken. I then tested it out from me, to me. I have not received an email. It is obvious that the Email This User tool is officially broken.

This feature is also broken on the English Wiki and quite possibly on all the other real Wikis too. I personally think that this needs to be fixed now. Also, while the tool is getting fixed, I suggest we take it off of the Tools sidebar on the Test Wiki so no users try to use it and then complain for the long wait for a reply.

Who is with me? Who agrees with me? What else could we do to fix this? I think I might possibly be able to help with fixing it. :) -MysteryMaker- (talk) 21:40, 26 February 2016 (MET)


 * I will put this on the Jenda of a long next scratch club discussion, hope we find an app man who can care for all this, see de:SC. Mtwoll (talk) 23:58, 26 February 2016 (MET)

Ok, thanks! -MysteryMaker- (talk) 00:00, 27 February 2016 (MET)


 * As we discussed yesterday, this feature will be permanently disabled on the Test Wiki for security reasons. It appears not to be broken on the english wiki, apparently it is disabled there too. - LiFaytheGoblin (Talk|Contributions) 11:55, 1 March 2016 (MET)

Ok. Thanks for the update! :D -MysteryMaker- (talk) 16:51, 1 March 2016 (MET)

Please ask more questions here :-)
I just had a Online-Conference with user:Agaddone and user:LindaIerardi and found out that there are many questions about the international Scratch-Wiks and the Test-Scratch-Wiki that they had. It was a pleasure to answer that questions and to help them to get a big step forward. Please: If somebody of you has any questions ask them her ein the Test-Scratch-Wikis Community-Portal. It's not only important for you and your language-community getting the answers but it also could be a big help for people of other language-communities: We should start making a FAQ about that question and I just start here: International-Scratch-Wiki-FAQ

Any comments or suggestions? :-) Mtwoll (talk) 13:32, 25 April 2016 (MEST)

Changes at the top of almost every page, including Homepages
Smrman wrote me following message at my talkpage and I think it's important enough to copy our conversation in our community-portal because all other might have the same question. Mtwoll (talk) 22:11, 4 May 2016 (MEST)


 * Hi, I saw you changed the homepage of the Wiki i'm managing (the Frenchérit Wiki). I just wanted to know why... Is it a personal or a group's décision of the Test-Wiki Team? Is it obligatory or can I make it like earlier?
 * Smrman (talk) [[file:Smrman's_logo.gif|20px]] 19:01, 4 May 2016 (MEST)


 * Hello Smrman,
 * I did not change the homepage of your wiki, only the "Switch Language" Template at the top, that is now a "Translate Template" and should be used at all pages of Test-Scratch-Wiki:Test_Scratch_Wikis. It will vanish later when your Fra:Scratch Wiki Accueil will be a Test-Scratch-Wiki:Real_Scratch_Wikis, it's only for helping the translators here.


 * At the Homepage of every Test-Wiki it will look like below, to have a good entrance-point for everybody:


 * And at any other page it will look like below, just to make translating more easy.


 * Excuse me for the inconvenience, I was just working at template:Translate and when I got a phonecall I forgot to switch it back to a working version: Because it's used at most pages it looked horrible, but now I switched it back. Excuse me for the shocking "first contact" with that template: After that I decided not to work directly anymore at such an often-used template like template:Translate. Instead of that I will test test it before and only change it, when the test shows that it works. (I use Template:Translate/sandbox and Test:Scratch_Wiki_Home for testing)


 * Additionally I already connected your Wiki with the DE: where Fra:Scratch Wiki Accueil and Spa:Scratch_Wiki_Español are now connected like Interwikis. I will try to do that with all other Scratch Wikis too, when one of the test-wikis seems to be ready for that. The French-Scratch-Wiki is nearest to that point I think. Thank you very much for your great work there!


 * The last few days I invested a lot of work to make navigating and translating better in the Test-Wiki and to create International-Scratch-Wiki-FAQ. I hope you'll like the result.
 * Mtwoll (talk) 21:10, 4 May 2016 (MEST)


 * Ok thanks à lot. It was because I saw yesterday lots of code from à template who was not finished. It was really horrible ^^. I see now why you added all this stuff to the homepage's code. Thanks for helping the Wiki so much. Smrman (talk) [[file:Smrman's_logo.gif|20px]] 18:15, 5 May 2016 (MEST)

Activate our users/authors
I made Category:Emptyuserpage (based on Template:Emptyuserpage that I put at every blank userpage) to find out more about our many inactive authors.

Some of the international authors are very productive, but most of them do not know much about working at a wiki and will loose faith when working there alone. Perhaps it would be helpful, if everybody of the active international wikians would have a guide to help and motivate him: So feel free to contact our inactive authors for example by going to their Scratch-User profile and start a conversation like: "You did start editing the Scratch-Wiki at  Wouldn't you like to continue? I am an author of the English Scratch Wiki and would like to help you build up your Scratch Wiki by showing you how wiki-things like templates, categories, cp, discussion and so on work at the English wiki, so you can start doing it in your language.

What do you think?""

Mtwoll (talk) 11:10, 9 May 2016 (MEST)

Interested authors of the English Scratch Wiki that didn't start here
in en:CP-Thread about "Getting International Scratch Wiki Coach" we have three Wikians that where interested to help here but they didn't start here: There are also some at: en:CP-Thread2 about "Getting International Scratch Wiki Coach". Who knows them and could motivate them to help? Mtwoll (talk) 14:43, 15 May 2016 (MEST)
 * - from USA & english Scratch Wiki
 * - from USA & english Scratch Wiki
 * - from USA & english Scratch Wiki
 * I know thehockeyist a bit. I could talk to him. Programmer1121 (talk) 18:45, 30 May 2016 (MEST)

I would be happy if you convince him and others to help here as coaches. Also we should create more ideas for structures to communicate within the community of international scratchers. Perhaps a "Mediawiki Tip ot the monnth" at the homepage or someting like that, Mtwoll (talk) 07:18, 31 May 2016 (MEST)

Multilingual_MediaWiki and Extension:Translate
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We should think about: Any comments? Mtwoll (talk) 07:26, 17 May 2016 (MEST)
 * 1) https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Multilingual_MediaWiki
 * https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Language_engineering
 * 1) https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Translate
 * 2) https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Language_Extension_Bundle

Wish List for international Scratch Wikis
Here I will write my wish list for our international scratch wikis. I am happy about everyone who helps to make some of the wishes come true step by step (I know that some of them will take years, but every long way starts with the first step ;-).
 * see also: en:S:PORTAL

fulfilled wishes

 * 1) Create Test-Scratch-Wiki and find admins and coaches from en: and de:
 * 2) Create a bot to transfer all templates from en: to test:
 * 3) Thanks user:ErnieParke !!!
 * 4) Create FAQ
 * 5) Create and integrate Template:Translate to all pages + their translations
 * 6) Find scratch wikians who will care for the internationalization and wiki-usability of the en:Block Plugin
 * 7) user:ErnieParke + en:userBlob8108 die a grat job!!!

short term wishes

 * 1) Transferring the complete articles of en: here for easier translation
 * 2) user:ErnieParke will test this this weekend
 * 3) Installing all addIns and hooks that are used by en: here at test: and also at all other international scratch wikis
 * 4) PORTAL
 * 5) Perfection of Template:Translate: There are still some bugs...
 * 6) user:Lirex is working to solve that

middle term wishes

 * 1) The Community portals of each language at the Test wiki should get more active. See:


 * 1) Having interwiki links to the test-wiki and to it's sub-wikis in different languages
 * 2) Perhaps we don't have to wait until the Test-Scratch-Wiki:Test_Scratch_Wikis are Test-Scratch-Wiki:Real_Scratch_Wikis? We could have Interwiki-Links even erlier
 * 3) Test that idea at the Homepage of de:
 * 4) Find more Scratchers that are technically skilled and trustworthy that want to help the international scratch wiki community with admin-stuff and programming (see "long term wishes" to find out why ;-) Mtwoll (talk) 17:12, 28 May 2016 (MEST)

long term wishes

 * 1) Having only one Scratch Wiki for all languages (beside english) that fulfills following needs:
 * 2) There shouldn't be any disadvantage in having only one global scratch wiki in comparison to having a separate scratch wiki for every language
 * 3) This includes: The language communities should not disturb another but help another and realize synergies effects
 * 4) easier administration
 * 5) easier communication
 * 6) better content, in quality and quantity, because of reuse of (translated) text and media
 * 7) English wiki could be part of (1) when following problems are solved:
 * 8) There are much higher restrictions getting an English scratch wiki author than international scratch wiki author. So, it should not be possible to bypass the English selection process and than harm the English scratch wiki. Perhaps edit rights must be separated be language namespace, so that you can only edit in the namespaces you are allowed to edit? Much easier than this technical solution would be a social solution where every wiki author accepts that he is only allowed to edit in the namespace where he is invited. Mtwoll (talk) 17:19, 28 May 2016 (MEST)
 * 9) There are much more technical and content restriction at the English scratch wiki than at the other wikis: For example it's not allowed to integrate scratch-projects and videos in en:. Perhaps it's because the scratch team is more careful and  the English wiki community is bigger and younger (?) than the other scratch wiki communities. The other wikis (specially the de:) appreciate to have non of that restrictions and to have the wiki community democratic control about technologie and content, that should be allowed or forbidden.
 * 10) Technically thoughts for one Global Scratch Wiki
 * 11) To avoid complicated wiki links like articlename a Mediawiki-Addin could create a "local namespace" that means: If you write articlename in an article that is in a certain language-namespace it will reference that language-namespace again.
 * 12) The Standard-Namespaces, like TALK, WIKI, USER, TEMPLATE etc. could exist separate for every language Namespace
 * 13) Parts of the Skin could change if you go to a languages namespace (for example you see the scratch wiki logo of every language community depending on the language of that artiucle
 * 14) to be continued
 * 15) see also: CPND (today i think a global wiki could be better than a wiki farm...)
 * 16) see also:
 * 17) Continue to motivate volunteers
 * 18) Sometimes it can feel lonely editing. This can make a volunteer de-motivated, so that they stop editing.
 * 19) Talking with volunteers, interacting with volunteers, and showing appreciation for volunteer work helps to keep them motivated.

Decission on Namespaces
We (the SysOps including) used the Turkish Scratch-Wiki as the first example to move from "2 digt Pseudo Namespace" (=TR) to "3-digt-Real-Namespace" to learn more befor doing that with all Languages. The result is that you finde all articles moved from "TR" to "Tur".

Links:
 * Tur:Test_Scratch_Wiki_Home
 * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Namespaces
 * https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes
 * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces
 * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_default_namespaces#ID_3000.2B
 * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces#Dealing_with_existing_pages

Does this help us? Mtwoll (talk) 22:56, 5 June 2016 (MEST)
 * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SpecialNamespaces
 * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HidePrefix
 * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HideNamespace


 * Hi, I jus wanted some more informations about the reasons of this choices.
 * I don't understand why the SysOps and you decided to change all the namespaces... Weren't there not namespaces enough for everybody? So why don't use the complete language's name then? ^^ "Tr" becomes "Tur" and why can't it become "Turkish"? We always used the ISO 639-1 in the past with the 2 digit iso code, so why changing now?
 * Changing the namespaces means change all the links too and this job can be very long!
 * I had some questions too... It concerns "my" (the French one). Shall we use the "Fre" (in English) or "Fra" (in French) namespace ?
 * Smrman (talk) [[file:Smrman's_logo.gif|20px]] 15:11, 8 June 2016 (MEST)

Thanks for your questions here the answers After we implemented Interwiki here additional to the language namespaces you will see one of the many advantage: The "Tanslate Menu-Bar" can be moved from the top to the sidebar, where it will like normal interwiki. Additional to the Languages we will have a artificial language that is called "Translate" that leads to a side wehre all language-linkings can be made. I hope that's ok for you and answers your questions? Thanks you again for your great work at the french scratch wiki! Mtwoll (talk) 18:30, 9 June 2016 (MEST)
 * 1) We will use "fre" for french like in ISO 639‑2/T
 * 2) There will be no work of changing: We will do everything (hopefully!) automatically by a transfer-bot that user:ErnieParke developed
 * 3) We need the "Fr"-Namespace (and the other 2-digit Namespaces) for Interwiki and found out that it was an error to use it for language separation

Namespace Moving
Hi everyone! I would like to tell you about a small reorganization we've had at the wiki recently. This will not have a major impact on what you do.

One of the problems with the Test Wiki is that if you were to link to En:Scratch Cat, did you want to link to the English Wiki, or the English clone on this wiki? Which? This causes problems for interwiki links back to English wiki, and DACH wiki if I am correct.

How do we solve this? All namespaces on the Test Wiki have been named from two digit language codes to three digit language does. Fr->Fra, Pt->Por, Es->Spa, Tr->Tur, It->Ita, and more. From now on, please do not use the two digit language codes, but instead the three digit language codes. If you see any broken links from this recent movement, please fix them! It would be super helpful.

Scratch on! :D

P.S. On a special note, I had to move the French CP from Talk:Fr: to Fra talk: ErnieParke (talk) 14:17, 4 August 2016 (MEST)


 * Hi Mtwoll,
 * Thanks for your amazing job (thanks to the bot too ^^) because the amount of pages to change was so huge!
 * No worries about the broken links, everythinks looks good and ok.
 * Thanks again
 * Smrman (talk) [[file:Smrman's_logo.gif|20px]] 22:24, 18 August 2016 (MEST)

Test
Test after updating wiki...

French wiki
Do you guys think the french wiki is ready to get an individual wiki? KrIsMa (talk) 04:58, 31 August 2016 (MEST)

Hi KrIsMa, I think the Wiki is ready to be officialised, but there is still a huge amount of important pages left. Also the normal wiki didn't have a lot of pages when they began. It is the goal of the Wiki... The majority of pages in the actual French Wiki are page that explain how to edit the Wiki or that are important for the Wiki's organisation. Is there any list why the pages we must create before going official? What do you think? Are we ready? Smrman (talk) 16:49, 31 August 2016 (MEST)

Who else is on your French Wiki team (helps edit the french pages as well)? KrIsMa (talk) 04:56, 2 September 2016 (MEST)

Mmmmh, lots of French users wanted to join the Wiki to help me in my task (see here) but few of them are still active. (I think Zelda_64 and me are the only ones). Some of them have even never done anything on this Wiki, and I'm still asking myself why they joined... (Barnygame123, Danun, Kandalf-le-gris, Papatomique22):And finally, the others people helped 1 or 2 days and then stopped. (Favorite01, IceStorm31, Lederniersamourai, Nitenroc, Techkidsacademy) They don't have the motivation anymore to continue to help me or they left Scratch and the Wiki too... The big problem is that the authors don't feel involved in the Wiki, for them, it's not something regular. I don't know anymore what to do. And I still continue to create the Wiki, being alone does not mind me. French Wiki forever... Smrman (talk) 12:13, 2 September 2016 (MEST)


 * At todays ScratchClub (de:Scratch-Wiki:Scratch_Club) we decided to make a real-wiki out of the french-test wiki. To do so, we first need a translation of the skin to French. (see International-Scratch-Wiki-FAQ ). Who will do that? Mtwoll (talk) 21:19, 26 September 2016 (MEST)


 * I vote for a standalone french wiki since you guys really rock :P - LiFaytheGoblin (Talk|Contributions) 13:00, 26 September 2016 (MEST)


 * Yay, great news for everybody! ^^ I'm so happy...
 * I'll translate the Wiki skin in the French I have already downloaded the zip file, but what must I translate? the .php webpage?) Smrman (talk) [[file:Smrman's_logo.gif|20px]] 16:28, 28 September 2016 (MEST)


 * Yes. That is the only thing that needs translating. You could also make a custom Fr wiki logo, but make sure it replaces the wikilogo2.png image. ErnieParke (talk) 21:38, 3 October 2016 (MEST)


 * I'm so excited. I just went on the homepage, and I saw my dream come true! Thanks a lot! :)
 * But let's come back to reality. The translation is ready. I'll will post a link to Google Drive, so you can get the files. But I still have a question for the logo, can it be a vector logo? If yes, shouldn't you change the link in the  page? Oh, and, what will we put on our logo, the Wiki sphere, the Scratch name and a flag (but which one? French is spoken in France, Belgium, Canada and Switzerland)... Smrman (talk) [[file:Smrman's_logo.gif|20px]] 22:40, 4 October 2016 (MEST)


 * http://fr.scratch-wiki.info just started, see :fr:changes
 * Arne did set it up
 * Ernie will:
 * Move users, pages, templates, images, the whole shebang. On top of that, I need to remove Fra: from page titles.
 * Install the French wiki skin when ready
 * Update LocalSettings.php for anything needed
 * Install the Scratchblocks extension and check that it is working
 * Mtwoll (talk) 19:50, 4 October 2016 (MEST)


 * @Martin, I didn't expect you to post that entire thing. :p It's okay though.
 * @Smrman: According to Can I Use, yes, we should be able to use a vector logo. I'll handle swapping it in, you just make sure to have the vector logo in the same folder.
 * If there are not that many French speaking countries, the vector logo could include all of them. That's what the DACH wiki does. ErnieParke (talk) 07:13, 5 October 2016 (MEST)


 * Great! Here is the folder (link to the folder). Just check the translation to see if I don't have missed any. Don't forget to change the  page (the logo has the same name, the only thing different is the extension .swf in place of .png)... The logo is included in the folder. Is there anything else needed? Smrman (talk) [[file:Smrman's_logo.gif|20px]] 18:27, 5 October 2016 (MEST)


 * As far as I can tell, the only thing we need now is time. I've started work on getting everything set up and transferred, but it will take some time. I guess it will take a few days. Again, I will post here when I'm done. :)
 * Sit back and relax! ErnieParke (talk) 23:54, 5 October 2016 (MEST)


 * I got the skin and extensions installed. You can see them here: Utilisateur:ErnieParke
 * Next up I'll start work on transferring content, then I'll finish with creating users. :) ErnieParke (talk) 02:57, 7 October 2016 (MEST)


 * Incredible, it's working great! :D I really apreciate the fact we can have the blocs in every language. Also, the logo makes the Wiki look very modern... Time for rest now ^^ Smrman (talk) [[file:Smrman's_logo.gif|20px]] 18:05, 7 October 2016 (MEST)
 * The wiki logo does make the wiki look more modern. It would look nice on the English wiki...
 * Anyway, I transferred all of the templates, images, and articles to the new French wiki. You can start browsing them here: French wiki
 * If you don't mind, can you glance over the new French wiki and check that everything is correct? Moving everything was a big effort and I'd like to make sure everything happened correctly. :)
 * The last things I need to do are:
 * Set up interwiki
 * Tweak the navigation box
 * Delete the old FR wiki pages on the Test wiki.
 * Start creating accounts on the FR wiki
 * Sounds like a plan. I should be done in a day or two now. ErnieParke (talk) 06:30, 13 October 2016 (MEST)
 * I have finished what I can for now. I'll wait for you reply before I delete the old Fr wiki pages. I'd also like to talk with Martin about how to transfer accounts from here to the French wiki. ErnieParke (talk) 19:54, 13 October 2016 (MEST)


 * Looks great! :) Is there any way to change the favicon? Thx for your incredible work Smrman (talk) [[file:Smrman's_logo.gif|20px]] 18:10, 14 October 2016 (MEST)


 * I tried to request an account twice but it didn't work... :( Why? - LiFaytheGoblin (Talk|Contributions) 21:08, 18 October 2016 (MEST)
 * What do you mean it didn't work? You did go to Special:RequestAccount, right? I just tested the system by requesting an account under the name NanoParke, and it works: Cubeupload image
 * French wiki contributors: For now, please try requesting an account on the French Scratch wiki by going here. I will check daily for new requests, and hopefully soon we'll have transferred all of you over. :) ErnieParke (talk) 21:00, 19 October 2016 (MEST)

Reference
Hi there! I'm not familiar with the reference tag. Does it work on the test wiki? - LiFaytheGoblin (Talk|Contributions) 13:00, 26 September 2016 (MEST)


 * Not for the moment
 * XDe6og (talk) 19:35, 26 September 2016 (MEST)
 * It works now! 14:34, 20 December 2017 (CET)

Wiki Wednesday
❌

Hi everyone! Wiki Wednesday is an event where articles, written by you, are shown to everyone on the Scratch website! So, if you have a suggestion in mind, please post it below. Please make sure it's well written. Images are a bonus. ErnieParke (talk) 21:55, 22 May 2017 (MEST)

--Torotv (talk) 02:51, 16 June 2017 (MEST)== ==

Hello!
 * Was that a suggestion? MakeTheBrainHappy (talk) 19:34, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

A quick notice to all users with the permission
When undoing an edit, please simply use the "undo" function instead of  - rollback is meant for vandalism.

If the edit is vandalism, rollback the edit and contact the user.

If the edit is not vandalism, "undo" it and contact the user.

Undoing also allows for a custom edit summary and a chance to check over the edit before you submit it.

Thanks. 02:05, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Even if you feel that an edit is "vandalism", if it is just one or two isolated cases, I would recommend just undoing it and contacting the user to persuade them to stop the behavior. :) --MakeTheBrainHappy (talk) 21:25, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Personal proactive coaching
I think it could be realy helpfull for the future of the international scratch wikis to start with something like „Personal proactive coaching“. What do I mean by that? We could go to the user pages of Scratchers, that have showed some activities here and try to motivate them to continue until there is a real breakthrough for the scratch wiki in their language. Unlike the english wiki they don‘t got the confirmation of a big wiki community and a great amount of articles and templates already done in their language. Often it must look to them as they where standing infront of a gigantic mountain of work to be done and don‘t know where to start and if it will be worth to cope with it, only with such a few people or even alone. We must try to give them faith and help to continue. For example the Korean community seems to have worked hard, but could discontinue. Other Languages startet but discontinued imideately: Here we could draw the attention of member of that languages to the just startet scratch wiki spproach, by posting it in their language forums. Also we should inform and motivate every language community to take part in „Wiki Wednedday“. What do you think? Mtwoll (talk) 06:15, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I like that idea! With another Wiki I've been working on separately, we've had to create every template and article; it's a monstrous task. If they have someone willing to help them with the Mediawiki bits of it, I'm sure it would help massively.
 * And yes, I believe the Test Wiki should take part in Wiki Wednesday. It'd definitely help us get noticed, and get more editors for smaller language wikis. Drunken_Sailor (Talk) 09:39, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * @Drunken_Sailor welp, looks like my message draft is useless now - you said everything I was going to say. 12:29, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Ninja'd lol
 * Anyway, yeah, that's two supports for this. Drunken_Sailor (Talk) 15:01, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Ideas for Wiki Wednesday:
 * An article explaing the Wiki Wedneday idea in each language conected by interwiki
 * An article for suggesting and deciding the candidate for next Wiki Wedneday in each language conected by interwiki
 * All Wiki Wednesday articles collected at one page, but not just the link, but a teaser of the articles
 * see de:Vorlage:Vorgestellter Artikel
 * The teaser of the actual Wiki Wednesday article of that language is presented at the startpage of that languages wiki, with links to 1. + 2. + 3.

So the Wiki Wednesday is always present at each wiki and we have a stronger connection between the wikis and the scratch homepage. What do you think? Who wants to explain/help for which language? Mtwoll (talk) 16:21, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * This is a great idea! I'll definitely support a Wiki Wednesday Suggestions page, something like Wiki Mittwoch Vorschläge? I'll help in some languages; French, some German and maybe Dutch. However, I'll need to request an account for those Wikis...
 * Would it work if, for the Test-Scratch-Wiki, we had a single Wiki Wednesday page (like de:Vorlage:Vorgestellter Artikel), with small snippets of articles for each language? Each box could have a different language, for example a Spanish article in one frame, and a Korean one in another frame? I would help with this. Drunken_Sailor (Talk) 17:20, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

I meant snippet/teaser of all wiki wednesday artikles of that languagrs, so you see the historian ww artikles of each language. de: can be done by myself, as it is my homewiki. The ja: is most active after en: and de: with no ww article... there are some real scratch wikis with nearly no activities like ru: and hu: there it will be difficult... Mtwoll (talk) 18:18, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * German (Deutsch!) is my second language, but I understand that you have that covered. After that I don't really have a preference concerning language (I will have to use Google Translate). I personally contacted all the Korean Wiki Members and so far have only gotten one response which read "I am to busy". I would personally like to draft a message for the Korean forums asking if anyone wants to help with making the wiki, but I'm not exactly sure if that already exists + if I would be allowed to write it in English (since the forums are for members who's native language is Korean). I can find an article for the korean wiki wed. if that is necessary :). If you want I can look to see if we can find people who could help with some of those inactive wikis :) MakeTheBrainHappy (talk) 18:26, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Wenn Du Deutsch als zweite Sprache sprichst, bist Du natürlich herzlich willkommen im DACH Scratch Wiki :-) I didn‘t know that. I highly appricate all your activities and suggestion concerning coaching the other international communities! Mtwoll (talk) 21:03, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Toll! Sollte ich die Antragsformular ausfüllen? Ich brauchte nie einen Konto weil ich nicht viel schreiben würde. Dafür mache ich zu viele Fehler. Aber ich würde gerne mit der Interwiki-Integration helfen. :) Translation: Great! Should I fill out the form to make an account? I've never really needed an account before for editing because I make to many mistakes. But I would be happy to help with the Interwiki Collaboration/Community/Combination :)MakeTheBrainHappy (talk) 00:42, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

yes please, your German above seems nearly perfect :-) Mtwoll (talk) 05:26, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
 * should definitely have a WW article; it'll definitely get it recognised a lot more.
 * Also, Brain, my French is nowhere near as good as your German xD Drunken_Sailor (Talk) 18:18, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I submitted an application. :) I also created the advertisement in the Korean forum :) MakeTheBrainHappy (talk) 01:41, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Great! I just confirmed it: de:Benutzer Diskussion:MakeTheBrainHappy. I saw your post above after posting in the thread below, so I suggested what you already did ;-) Mtwoll (talk) 07:25, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Ja schon ;). I muss noch die Zeite gut durchlesen. MakeTheBrainHappy (talk) 03:08, 27 November 2017 (UTC)


 * @MTBH: Did you see it? Mtwoll (talk) 07:41, 25 November 2017 (UTC)


 * de:Benutzer Diskussion:MakeTheBrainHappy
 * de:Benutzer:MakeTheBrainHappy
 * Your edits??????????

Heb to the sidebar
can we add the hebrew wiki to the sidebar? we have a main page and a few more pages.--Yzyzyz (talk) 16:27, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ 02:28, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
 * What happened to it?--Yzyzyz (talk) 17:11, 27 November 2017 (CET)
 * Whoops, looks like I accidentally removed it somehow. Added again. 01:40, 28 November 2017 (CET)

Submit an article for the 20th Wiki Wednesday
Hi everyone!

It would be cool if test languages would also be able to showcase an article of their choice at the Wiki Wednesday. Feel free to submit articles here :) Requirements: You can also first discuss this with your language community in your community portal or wherever you discuss!
 * Be a "good" article (good language, not too long, not too short, interesting)
 * Have pictures if possible
 * Submit till Monday 27th!

- LiFaytheGoblin (Talk|Contributions) 10:32, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Yay! I think this would be amazing! I will check the current hebrew articles.--Yzyzyz (talk) 14:45, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I found one: Heb:(זוז__צעדים_(בלוק --Yzyzyz (talk) 15:52, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
 * That‘s great! heb: should take part in Wiki Wednesday with that article. We should also activate as much as possible other language communities to suggest a wiki wednesday article for their language. kor: (on testwiki) and ja: (already real wiki) would be very good candidates because they seem to have an active community but never took part in wiki wednesday until now. But there are also communties that have been active but felt asleep we should try to reactivate: Examples: ru: (real) hu: (real) it: (test). We should start a long term competition with us self: „Which Wiki wednesday has the most participants?“. We could go to the profiles of the founders or historically active wikians of now inactive wikis to motivate them to take part. We also could try to convince new members of that language communities to continue the work of those founder wikians if they left. We should make a mist with „godparenthood“ where every coach takes care for one language. What do you think? Who wants to start? Who places a first bet how many languages will take part in the next Wiki Wednesday? Mtwoll (talk) 06:59, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I guess I'll "godfather" the Hebrew wiki? ;) 09:57, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * @ken I have no problem with that!--Yzyzyz (talk) 15:03, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * @Mt :Kor: does not have a very active community/anyone who can help me pick an article. Sorry.MakeTheBrainHappy (talk) 19:54, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

@MTBH: Picking an article ourself is not helpfull. We must motivate somebody of the language community to do that now and in the future. kor: has been very active not long ago: Go to their most involved users scratch profile or to their forum (or be creative how to get a Korean Scratcher that wants to help) and motivate them by posting. Mtwoll (talk) 07:14, 24 November 2017 (UTC) Just do it for as many language communities as possible and post the links here, like:
 * Kor:Test Scratch Wiki Home
 * https://jp.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/User_talk:Apple502j#Wiki_Wednesday:_Japan_should_take_part.21
 * I went to every users scratch profile and tried to make contact with them. I have no yet received replies in the Korean forum. My next step will be to make direct contact with the most active members of their forum community to see if they would be willing to help out. I have only received two replies from the entire establishment. They seem to want to take their time :P. BTW: How is the Spanish communities wiki doing? MakeTheBrainHappy (talk) 14:57, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * A Kor: wiki editor recommended this page for Wiki Wednesday even though he noted that it has a lot of red links: here MakeTheBrainHappy (talk) 15:07, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

@MTBH: Thanks for all your activities to wake up the “sleeping wiki communitis“. I hope there will be more feedback later. Mtwoll (talk) 23:19, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * No Problem MakeTheBrainHappy (talk) 02:17, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks for the submissions :) Maybe you have a topic sentence or so, which I can use in the post to introduce the articles? - LiFaytheGoblin (Talk|Contributions) 12:07, 28 November 2017 (CET)

Language spaces + Translation Bar + Mass Edits + bots + template-space
Following post is mostly for our ftp-admins Kenny2scratch and ErnieParke, but I think also all other coaches and languages authors should know: What do you think? Who would start proactive actions to handle the above outpointed problems? Thank you very much in advance! Mtwoll (talk) 13:28, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) I saw that Kenny2scratch changed many pages of Eng: in such a way, that it reminds me of „mass edits“. If my impression is true those kinds of edits could better be done by a bot that could by created by modifying the bot-code ErnieParke already has made, to copy-transfer en: to Eng: (= the original english scratch wiki to here, to use it as a template for translation help) or Fra: to fr: (the fren-test-wiki to the french real-wiki when it was „grown up enough“ by the way: we should somehow delete the french testwiki, because it is not used anymore and could only lead to misunderstandings).
 * 2) The translation-template that creates the translation-bar is mandatiry to every content-article. I hope you understand how it is used: It creates the translation-bar on the top of each article, that is used to switch between all language versions of that article in the test-wiki and additionally to jump to all versions of that article in the real-wikis. The „translate“-link of the translation-bar always leads to the „/translat“ subpage of the Eng:-version of that article where all the the pagenames of the real-wiki-language-versions and the test-wiki-language-versions can be defined very easy, (example: https://test.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Eng:Scratch_Wiki_Home/translate  ). In case of the real-wiki-links the translation bar is partly redundant with interwiki-links, but until now we found no way to have all advantages of the translation-bar completely with methods of interwiki. Because the use of the translation-bar is mandatory we could try to have it inside the ftp-configuration so its automatically on every page and you could not forget it. Ideas? There are still problems with that translation bar system, specially with pages that have no Eng: page, e.g. https://test.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Help:Welcome/translate
 * 3) We use namspaces for each language that have to be defined in the ftp-configuration. If you use a prefix like „Kor:“ before it is defined as namespace at the ftp-configurstion, it is not possible to define that namespace. Exactly that happened with the „Kor:“-prefix. We had that before, ErnieParke knows about that. To get rid of that problem a bot must move all Kor-content to a temporally prefix, Kor must be defined as namespace and the temporally prefix content must be transfered back to Kor. To avoid such problems in the future we should define all language-namespaces that we ever will need at ones.
 * 4) We still don‘t got a solution for having a working template-namespace under the language-namespaces. Until now all languages in the test-scratch-wiki use the predifined english named templates copy-trasnsfered from en::. That is much more effective than it was in the real-scratch-wikis that where created without templates and pictures: It will take years for those languages to get where the state of the en-templates are and they can not just copy a page from en go their real-wiki, because without templates most pages look ugly. Nevertheless it‘s not perfect to have only english-tempaltes...in de: we started with no templates and created german templates in years of work: It took long, is not as perfect as the en-templates but: it‘s all german and that helps a lot.
 * 5) We could have interwiki-links from every real-scratch-wiki to all test-scratch-wikis it only have to he defined and can easyly be changed later when a test-wiki gets a real-wiki. It could be a great advertisement for new language-communities and thevtedt-wiki itself. At the de: startpage we already have it and additionally a „twi“-Interwikilink to the Startpage of the test-scratch-wiki. Who would care for that?
 * 6) Who installs the new account management system at each scratch-wiki? I think it‘s very impirtant specially because the now new eMail-connection to the wiki helps to stay in connection with the authors: They now got an eMail if you change their viewed pages, specially theirdiscussion pages... Mtwoll (talk) 13:46, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The mass edits were in lieu of a bot account (could I make a bot account? name maybe "mass editor"?).
 * Currently, templates can't work when you're using a language prefix - they are a different namespace, but only the Template namespace is transcluded automatically. For a fix for that, I think that instead of the current system (xyz:Template:Name) use  - use a language suffix for templates instead of a language prefix.
 * As for something at the top of every page: MediaWiki:Sitenotice appears at the top of every page. 14:46, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the fast reaction to some of the points:
 * I wanted to fast-test MediaWiki:Sitenotice but the message I put in is not displayed although it should, see: https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sitenotice
 * In order to make the english version of the community portal work with the translation bar it should be moved from Test-Scratch-Wiki_talk:Community_Portal to here: Eng:Test-Scratch-Wiki_talk:Community_Portal the same should happen to all other english pages that have no Eng-prefix. Is there a reason to avoid that? Should we do it? Alternatively we could use the „no prefix“-namespace for all english pages, but this serms not to be consistent with the other languages namespaces. But why does it seem to work here: Help:Welcome/translate ? Seems I don‘t look through the complex structure of the translation bar template myself...

anyway: There seems to be something inconsistant and we should make it better. But how? Mtwoll (talk) 16:46, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I see "test for MediaWiki:Sitenotice" at the top of every page... but I just realized a problem with what I said.


 * We can't do  - instead, I think we need.
 * I think we can set up MediaWiki:Sitenotice and Template:Translate correctly so that it appears at the top of every page, let me mess around with that for a bit. 02:40, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, I just created a bot account for mass edits, and used it to delete all of the Fra pages.
 * I was going to try to do stuff with MediaWiki:Sitenotice but for some reason it treats it as if the page title was MediaWiki:Sitenotice instead of the actual page title - Ernie, can you fix that? 06:00, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Sitenotice: After rethinking about it I come to the conclusen that this will not help us with the translation-bar, because it needs an individual kind if parameter: The name of the english version of that article. So there is no easier way than to add it at the top of every page separately. Mtwoll (talk) 06:22, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * That's also true :( 06:24, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think we can have a bot add the template to the top of every page (though so far it would still only know the English page's name)... 06:47, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * We have now three Translation-Bar paramters for english:
 * En = Interwiki to the original english Scratch wiki
 * Eng = To the english pages of the Testwiki with prefix
 * EnT = To the english pages of the Testwiki withou prefix
 * I think that one to much, do we realy need english pages without prefix at the Testwiki? Or is there a better solution? Mtwoll (talk) 08:14, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I think that's fine - if we removed EnT, then we'd have to move all pages without any prefix (including Help etc) to the Eng prefix! If we removed the Eng prefix, then there would be no difference between pages copied from the English wiki and pages made on the Test wiki. And we definitely don't want to remove the interwiki prefix! 09:22, 27 November 2017 (CET)
 * Ok, good point. But it doesn‘t xseem to work everywhere without prefix until now, see e.g.:


 * https://test.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Help:Contents
 * defined here: https://test.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Help:Contents/translate
 * red links to Eng and Translate

we have a serious problem
.Hebrew is written from right to left .Because of that, the punctuation marks are placed in wrong places ((This is a representation of what actually happens in Hebrew articles. ?Can we fix it Yzyzyz (talk) 15:08, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I found something about it here:

, but I'm not sure if we could have left-to-write and write-to-left writing in the same mediawiki depending of namespaces....Mtwoll (talk) 17:19, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Directionality_support


 * I don't know if it can help but i remember there is a html tag or something for this... see here Smrman (talk) [[file:Smrman's_logo.gif|20px]] 06:33, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I just created Template:Rlm to help deal with this. See its documentation for how to use it. I think this should help deal with strange punctuation. 06:37, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Japanese Start Page Coaching
Can sombody help the japanes scratch wiki community to do the „fine justage“ of their start page? See: Mtwoll (talk) 08:18, 28 November 2017 (CET)
 * https://jp.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/利用者・トーク:Apple502j#Proper_Start_Page_for_the_Japanese_Scratch_Wiki
 * The ja:: Start pages looks much better now, they seem to have managed it on their own, :see here


 * Mtwoll (talk) 14:48, 15 December 2017 (CET)


 * I would be happy to help them fix some items if they need any more support. MakeTheBrainHappy (talk) 22:41, 6 January 2018 (CET)

Wiki Wednesday Portal
Can somebody invent and establish somewhat like an „International Wiki Wednesday Portal“ for explaining and doing the process of suggesting a Wiki Wednesday Article per language community each month? There is a thread about it in the en:S:CP but the work is still not done. It will be done, when there is a set of articles for that in all wikis, connected by interwiki + all language communities know how to handel it. Also it would be fine, if separate platforms like User:LiFaytheGoblin used it (actually she uses a Google form) for receiving the article suggestions, could be completely replaced by such a portal (Naturall it should be the same or less amount of work compared to todays system, for the scratch team member (normally LiFaytheGoblin) to transfer the suggestions to the wiki wednesday post in the forum).

Additional we should display the actual wiki wednesday article of each languages wiki on their homepage at the same place where "Featured Article" is: If the "Wiki Wednesday Article" is the "Featured Article" and if the Headline of that "Featured Article Startpage box" has a link to the Wiki-Wednesday-Portal, the explanation-article of every languages Wiki-Wednesday-Portal contains a historically list to all Wiki-Wednesday-Forums-Post and so on, we have a perfectly connected Network, that involves Scratch-Startpage, Scratch-Forums, all Scratch-Wiki-Startpages and their Wiki-Wednesday portals.

Or even better: Don't let only the Scratch Wiki Autors suggest and choose the Wiki Wednesday Article of their language, but let all Scratchers of that language decide in a forum thread of their languages forum.

Scratchers of all languages will have a great benefit from that. Finally we will have a increasing amount of Scratchers, that want to be authors of the wiki of their language. Mtwoll (talk) 08:28, 28 November 2017 (CET)
 * Forum posts? Great idea! I think we should just make a forum thread in each language that acts like the "suggest featured projects" forum - people keep on suggesting and the suggestions are recorded, then every WW one is chosen. 01:19, 29 November 2017 (CET)

In Japan they already voted for their wiki wednesday article in the forum: and also in Indoesia they have a sticky forum thread about wiki wednesday: In DACH the wwa is presented as teaser at the Start Page in the „Vorgestellter Artikel“ box and additionally they have a collection page about all of those „teaser boxes“ of the past, you can reach via a link in the headline of the Start Page aww teaser box: there are also „wwa explaining articles“ in some, but not all wikis. They are connected by interwiki, but not structured consistent: but only in the english wiki there‘s also a kind of a „wwa suggestion portal“: Mtwoll (talk) 07:46, 29 November 2017 (CET)
 * see: https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/95074/?page=24#post-2903303
 * see: https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/284040/
 * see: https://de.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Hauptseite
 * see: https://de.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Scratch-Wiki:Alle_Artikel_der_Woche
 * en:Wiki_Wednesday
 * de:Wiki_Wednesday
 * fr:Scratch Wiki Accueil/autre/mercredi du wiki
 * nl:Wiki woensdag
 * ja:Japanese Scratch-Wiki:Wiki Wednesday
 * id:Wiki_Wednesday
 * en:Scratch Wiki:Wiki Wednesday Suggestions
 * Maybe create Project:Wiki Wednesday Suggestions (that link works on all wikis) on every wiki now? Or perhaps make translating en:Scratch Wiki:Wiki Wednesday Suggestions a priority? 08:46, 29 November 2017 (CET)

We should create this ;-) I'll send you the Powerpoint-File via eMail:

Wiki Wednesday International Portal Construction Plan


What do you think?

Legend to Wiki Wednesday International Portal Construction Plan

 * Scratch Homepage ( https://scratch.mit.edu/ )
 * Anouncement Box ( the box at https://scratch.mit.edu/ )
 * Scratch Anouncement Forum ( https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/5/ )
 * Wiki Wednesday 3/2018 (like https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/287136/ )
 * Wiki Wednesday 2/2018 (like https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/284154/ )
 * DE Scratch Wiki
 * Start Page (like https://de.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Hauptseite )
 * wiki wednesday article Teaser Box (the boxx called "Vorgestellter Artikel" on https://de.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Hauptseite )
 * actual wwa teaser (like https://de.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Vorlage:Vorgestellter_Artikel )
 * wiki wednesday article 3/2018 ( https://de.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Grafikeffekte )
 * wiki wednesday article 2/2018 ( https://de.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Post )
 * wiki wednesday article 2/2018 ( https://de.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Post )


 * wwa teaser 3/2018 ( like https://de.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Vorlage:Vorgestellter_Artikel/2017-12 )
 * wwa teaser 2/2018 ( like https://de.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Vorlage:Vorgestellter_Artikel/2017-11 )
 * wwa teaser 2/2018 ( like https://de.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Vorlage:Vorgestellter_Artikel/2017-10 )


 * www teaser list page (like https://de.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Scratch-Wiki:Alle_Artikel_der_Woche )
 * wwa teaser 3/2018 (box on that page above )
 * wwa teaser 3/2018 (box on that page above )


 * wiki wednesday article choice page
 * Section 3/2018
 * Section 2/2018


 * wiki wednesday article explaining page


 * Scratch DE Forum
 * Thread: choosing 3/2018 de wiki wednesday article
 * Thread: choosing 2/2018 de wiki wednesday article

conitinuation of the thread above:
By the way: As far as I know we will have 8(!!!) languages taking part in Wiki Wednesday today :-)

Mtwoll (talk) 10:56, 29 November 2017 (CET)
 * 8 languages! w00t!
 * I don't really understand that image, could you explain a little further? (email/here are both ok) 13:04, 29 November 2017 (CET)

Mtwoll (talk) 23:52, 29 November 2017 (CET)
 * 1) Wiki Wednesday post is there: https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/284154/ but until now  the anouncement at Scratch Startpage is still missing.
 * 2) The picture is explained in my post and the examples above. Actually the picture should visualize the text above. Every item in the picture has a headline that should be readable if you extend the picture. Every arrow represents a link.
 * Hello? :-) Mtwoll (talk) 14:43, 15 December 2017 (CET)
 * That plan looks really good, now that I can zoom in ;)
 * There is one problem that I can see, though. For all the other languages, the WW teaser links to the WW page, then the WW page links to the particular forum thread in the language subforum. How about English, though? We have one sticky topic for WW suggestions here - not particular topics for each WW. Ah, I have an idea: after each Wiki Wednesday ends, post in that sticky thread, announcing that the previous WW is over and now Wiki Wednesday suggestions will be for the next one. Then, on the English wiki, link to the posts announcing the new WW. Let me organize those thoughts lol:


 * 1) Previous Wiki Wednesday ends
 * 2) New post in the sticky forum thread: "The last Wiki Wednesday is now over! Check it out {here (link)}. Suggestions will now be for the upcoming Wiki Wednesday on {date}."
 * 3) English Wiki links to that post
 * 4) Project:Wiki Wednesday Suggestions continues to be used as well, but also links to the new WW post
 * 5) When it's close to Wiki Wednesday, admins send an email to Lifay
 * 6) Repeat from 1
 * Seems logical? 06:11, 6 January 2018 (CET)

Yes! I think it's in general a good idea to use only one Wiki-Wednesday-Selcetion-Thread and make that sticky in every language forum. The Wiki-Wednesday-Selection-Article in each international wiki could than have sections that link to the certain "a new slection starts" post of that thread. Could you start to create, arrange, introduce and establish that in all Scratch Wikis? I'm sure Linda and other will help and naturally me too. So let's start to be ready for the January Wiki Wednesday! Mtwoll (talk) 15:05, 6 January 2018 (CET)
 * Could you do something similar to what I have done for the German wiki? Perhaps also suggest improvements for my current method :) 15:53, 6 January 2018 (CET)

I would like LiFay to create the german portal thread and will asked her doing that( here: de:Benutzer_Diskussion:LiFaytheGoblin). I like the english Portal thread you made here but I would avoid to have two places to make wiki wednesday article suggestions: As every wiki author also can post at the forum but non-author can't post at en:Scratch_Wiki:Wiki_Wednesday_Suggestions only the forum should be used (this will also help the thread to get more popular an consinstent, because it will contain more professionall example-suggestion sby experience scratchers). We should tell the contributers of the existing suggestions to transfer it to the forum and change en:Scratch_Wiki:Wiki_Wednesday_Suggestions, so it only get's a directory of the certain suggestion-period-start-post. Also we should thank and tell en:user:Apple502j to create and connect the same structure of articles in ja: because it was his idea an the Japanese Community was the first, who voter by forum-thread. see: How can we help to establish the other language communities to switch to forum-vote and create and establish the necessary structures? Who can help doing this? Mtwoll (talk) 12:54, 8 January 2018 (CET) Mtwoll (talk) 12:54, 8 January 2018 (CET)
 * Vote for Nevember Wiki Wednesday Artikle in the Japanes forum
 * ja:User talk:Apple502j
 * en:User_talk:MartinWollenweber
 * The problem with the English system is that there have already been accepted suggestions using the current system, which conflicts with the new system. Also we can't immediately make this change - I'll go re-suggest it on the English community portal too. 13:46, 8 January 2018 (CET)
 * Never mind, I'll simply suggest this on the English CP and see what they think. 13:56, 8 January 2018 (CET)
 * Update: posted. 14:05, 8 January 2018 (CET)

Suggestion: A new bot (function)
So some of our Eng: pages here are outdated relative to the English wiki versions. I propose a new thing for a bot to do:

When starting up for the first time, check the list of pages on both the English wiki and on the Test wiki Eng: namespace. Then, on a forever loop:
 * 1) Check the English wiki's recent changes
 * 2) For every page (except pages in certain namespaces) that was changed or created:
 * 3) Fetch the content of the most recent revision on the English wiki
 * 4) Fetch the content of the most recent revision on the Test wiki
 * 5) If the content is different, replace the content of the corresponding Eng: page on the Test wiki with the content of the English wiki page, with the  at the top, creating the page if needed.
 * 6) Index the page's   page (i.e. store which non-Eng: pages are translations of this page)
 * 7) Don't handle that page for the rest of this cycle
 * 8) For every page that was deleted:
 * 9) Delete the corresponding Eng: page on the Test wiki
 * 10) For every file that was uploaded:
 * 11) Upload it to the Test wiki (to keep Test page versions updated)
 * 12) Check the Test wiki's recent changes
 * 13) For every   page that was changed:
 * 14) Reindex it.
 * 15) For every page that was created:
 * 16) * If it's an Eng: page, ignore it.
 * 17) * Otherwise, search through the previously-built index of translated pages. If the page's title is not found, add a template (to be created) requesting that a user add the page to an Eng: page's  page.

This could be incorporated into InterwikiBot, but I feel like InterwikiBot has enough to do, so I suggest that we have a separate bot for this (I'd be more than happy to write it). Thoughts? 09:45, 3 December 2017 (CET)
 * That seem go be a good sugestion that has many advantages in comparism to the actual copy-bot. I‘m looking forward to hear ErnieParkes opinion about it. Mtwoll (talk) 19:17, 3 December 2017 (CET)
 * @Kenny2Scratch:
 * It would be nice if the bot handled link rewrites. Considering how that delves into Mediawiki parsing, it might be easier to use the old code base.
 * Beyond that, the general idea sounds good. ErnieParke (talk) 15:43, 4 December 2017 (CET)
 * Yes, it should handle link rewrites.
 * "old code base"? What old code base? 03:45, 6 December 2017 (CET)

Dear Ernie an Ken, I think the international scratch community could profit a lot if you both join forces and enlarge your collaboration. First result could be a bot with a code base that is maintained by both of you (or even more developer who join later). I don‘t know, but I got the impression, that there was only „one bot - one developer“ until now. To reach bigger targets, more than one person is surely necessary, but to overcome this „me and my bot“-level causes also big efforts. I hope you will make it! One thing that helps could be running bots on a common platform: Could our Webspace that runs the Wikis be such a platform? I would also be willing to invest in a dedicated Server for all wikis and bot‘s up to a budget about 50€ per month if that helps... Mtwoll (talk) 08:56, 7 December 2017 (CET)
 * Hello? Mtwoll (talk) 14:44, 15 December 2017 (CET)

Reactitvating RU-wiki
Since there has been no activity in RU: since September 2017, I think it is important to reactivate it actively. One first step could be, to start the statistic bo again there, that ErnieParke switched of since June 27, 2017 [see: user:InterwikiBot/GA_Stats) because the most active russian author ru:user:Dimon4ezzz told Ernie that he does not like it. Since this user is not active anymore since 6. September 2017 (see here) we could consider if we are obliged to fullfill his needs. I don't like the thougt that thinghs like our stats should be handled different everywhere: If a feature is bad we should not have it it in any language version, if its good we should have it everywere. I hope that we find active ru: authors (there lately was one new succesfull applicatione (see ru:user_talk:IlyaMiheevilia) and I hope ther will be more and perhaps wether ru:user:Dimon4ezzz starts again editing accepting the stat bot, or convinces us, that the stat bot is not good generally and we end the chat bot in any wiki. What do you think? What can we do? Mtwoll (talk) 14:43, 15 December 2017 (CET)
 * I think Dimon4ezzz is being a little too touchy, to be frank.
 * I really don't know how to get inactive people active again! It looks like the original authors on the Russian wiki have all gone inactive, and though I recently accepted a new account, that person hasn't made any edits yet. I also think that the other language wikis don't get enough advertising in general, which is why I think the "Scratch Wiki" link in the footer should link to the correct language depending on the website language - that is, if you have Indonesian selected as your website language, then the footer link should link to the Indonesian wiki instead. I believe that will happen once the transfer is done...?
 * Basically, all the wikis (except English, German and Test) are not well known enough. I think it might help to have a "sticky" forum thread in each language subform for which we have a wiki (i.e. if we have a wiki in language ABC, make a sticky thread in the ABC subforum). What do you think? 05:24, 16 December 2017 (CET)

Yes, but best was if the „Wednesday International Portal Construction Plan“ described and and pictured above came into reality. Fixed Scratch Wiki Threads could be a part of it. Wiki Wednesday surely gives international wikis more popularity than the footer link, but we must use it better. Mtwoll (talk) 08:31, 16 December 2017 (CET)
 * I can help reactivate the Russian Wiki. Usually when I am doing something like this, I find and target users who I know can be active here and speak the language (based on a range of factors...) and then invite them to fill out an application. It has created some results on the Kor: wiki, although it has not been as effective on the Italian wiki. If you would like me to, then I could give it a try for the Russian Wiki. :) MakeTheBrainHappy (talk) 16:17, 17 December 2017 (CET)
 * @Ken the problem here is not that we don't have a post about the Russian Wiki. Please see this link. This is the case for most test wikis already... We just need to step in and encourage those who are interested in joining MakeTheBrainHappy (talk) 16:20, 17 December 2017 (CET)

MTBH: I can help reactivate the Russian Wiki. I would appriciate if you do so!. Thanks in advance! Mtwoll (talk) 16:20, 18 December 2017 (CET)
 * Problem! It looks like the original user who started up the wiki, Dmith, is now banned. I don't know how long he has been banned, but it's clear he feels no connection with the wiki(s) anymore. 14:23, 20 December 2017 (CET)

ok...but there seems to be a new hope: here Mtwoll (talk) 17:45, 20 December 2017 (CET)
 * oh, nice! IlyaMiheevilya is doing well I see. :D If they could get more people on the wiki too, that would be awesome 😎 05:37, 21 December 2017 (CET)
 * That editing seems pretty sporadic to me, but I can get in touch with them and see if they know anyone. :) MakeTheBrainHappy (talk) 03:39, 23 December 2017 (CET)

Wiki Wednesday 21
Hello everyone, the last Wiki Wednesday of the year is coming on december 27th 2017! That means articles are due december 25th (Monday!) It would be nice to have participants from the Test Wiki again :) Hebrew, Korean? And maybe even more? Please submit your articles here, and if possible include topic sentence and picture. Thank you! - LiFaytheGoblin (Talk|Contributions) 11:36, 20 December 2017 (CET)


 * Correction: Submit your articles on Test-Scratch-Wiki:Wiki Wednesday Suggestions! 14:04, 20 December 2017 (CET)

Thanks! - LiFaytheGoblin (Talk|Contributions) 11:05, 26 December 2017 (CET)


 * International Wiki Wednesday article-selection seems not to work without someone who coaches the proccess. Unitil now wie have only:
 * DACH: this discussion in the community portal
 * EN: this hint in CP and en:Scratch_Wiki:Wiki_Wednesday_Suggestions as an unmoderated selection process. Who takes responsibility for the final decision?
 * JA: Apple502j telling me and me telling LiFaytheGoblin about the decision JA-Scratch-WIki made on their forumthread (I think JA does have the best decission process because they involve their forum, only a fixed place to present the decission is missing)
 * other Languages: nothing sugested? and nothing accepted


 * Perhaps it's only because of the holiday season? We have a blueprint how it could get perfect here: . It could get a realy important part of the reception of the international Scratch Wikis in the Scratch Community, but not if it stays like it is now....
 * I suspect, we must set up and coach "International Wiki Wednesday decision" until it's got a smooth, popular and self mantaining process, involving the community in each forum of that language.
 * Who would like to take responsibility for getting there?
 * Mtwoll (talk) 14:41, 27 December 2017 (CET)


 * @:LiFaytheGoblin: Perhaps it would be helpfull, if you move away from WikiWednesday-Communication by „Mail to all admins“ and „put your choice in a google form“ (that only the receiver of the „mail to all admins“ can know). We don‘t got all who care for Wikiwednesday on the admin maillist, we don‘t got an established system to mantain that maillist. e.g. Apple from Japan is missing on that list but I think many more are missing. de:user:akhof is the only one who mantains that list (you can write him a mail with me cc about adding/ removing adresses. ). Mtwoll (talk) 07:35, 29 December 2017 (CET)


 * On the English Wiki the final article submitted to the ST is chosen by the admins from the list of suggestions on en:Scratch Wiki:Wiki Wednesday Suggestions.
 * On the Japanese Wiki it seems to be chosen through the forum thread, and I agree they simply lack a place to present their final decision.
 * On the Test Wiki, we have the suggestions page but no-one uses it because no-one knows or cares, and people who suggest it should know the language the article is in but there aren't enough people who do know the language and also care enough :(
 * On the German Wiki you seem to use the community portal? Or do you use WWS as well?
 * I think that the Wiki Wednesday Suggestions page idea seems to have held firm as a place to discuss suggestions, but on the Test Wiki I think there are simply not enough people who care, or otherwise it would also work here.
 * About switching away from the google form: If we don't use a google form for submitting the final suggestions, what can we use instead?
 * On a side note: I think it might also be helpful to have a "sticky" forum topic in one of the English subforums for Wiki Wednesday suggestions - that way even people who are not part of the Wiki community can suggest articles that have been helpful to them :)
 * I don't know for sure what our next step should be, however. Thoughts? 12:15, 1 January 2018 (CET)

Hello all, thanks for the feedback! The google form works well for NL, ID and FR and it has taken a lot of work from my shoulders. However I see your concern that not everyone can submit via the form since it is a secret link.

So, FAQ about submissions: 1. WHO can take the final decision on what to submit? > The admin(s) of a Wiki 2. WHO should submit the article? > An admin chosen by the other admins, who is either already on the email list or sent an email to info[at]de[dot]scratch-wiki[dot]info (or the only admin, if there are no otehrs) 3. WHAT about test wikis? They don't have admins! > We can have the language communities decide who should submit the article. This person then sends an email to info[at]de.scratch-wiki.info with the subject "Wiki Wednesday". In the email they send a link to the discussion where they have been chosen as a spokesperson (or they can include other proof). Then this person gets added to my email list (it is not the same that Martin is talking about - this is my personal list I maintain). If there's not enough interest, the person who shows interest and care can send an email and will be added to the list so they receive the link to the google forms.

A Sticky topic: Good idea, where should we put it? In Show and Tell?

Where to discuss: I think you did a good job creating Test-Scratch-Wiki:Wiki Wednesday Suggestions. I agree that discussing in the forums could be an advantage tho: This way we advertize the wiki in the forums and may gain new authors. We just need one person per language to take care of that. I can sticky the posts.

Anything I missed? Thank you very much for all your suggestions! I hope together we can improve Wiki Wednesday :D - LiFaytheGoblin (Talk|Contributions) 11:16, 5 January 2018 (CET)


 * Sticky topic: Yeah, Show and Tell seems good :)
 * Where to discuss: For English, the discussion should be on the S&T sticky and on the English Wiki WWS; for other languages they should be on sticky topics in the language subforums and on the corresponding WWS pages on the various wikis.
 * The final decision sending scheme also sounds good, by the way - it should work better than the current system. Could I be the "spokesperson" for the Chinese wiki? ;D 13:10, 5 January 2018 (CET)


 * Update: I have created the forum thread, here. Could it be sticked? Thanks. 13:20, 5 January 2018 (CET)

Thanks! I am wondering if coordination between Wikis and forums will be fine? I think we should create a How-To page for participating in Wiki Wednesdays that has all the infos and that also makes clear that it is up to the ww responsible admin to coordinate things. Maybe they could have a vice-coordinator, in case they are on vacation or so. I think for your request Kenny, you should discuss that with the Chinese Wiki community. As for the sticky I'll discuss it with ST. - LiFaytheGoblin (Talk|Contributions) 16:03, 5 January 2018 (CET)


 * Great! I would be happy if we have the whole international Wiki Wednesday System ready at the end of January 2018 so it can be usesed for the next selection. I hope it will be built like descibed in the above


 * Mtwoll (talk) 17:07, 5 January 2018 (CET)


 * I will see if I can get Kor to submit something. MakeTheBrainHappy (talk) 21:01, 6 January 2018 (CET)


 * Update: The Russian Wiki has a submission for Wiki Wednesday here. This one does not fit the prescribed categories/places so I am just putting it here. MakeTheBrainHappy (talk) 22:32, 6 January 2018 (CET)

RequestAccount in the international Scratch Wikis
We had some communication about this matter at different places, but I'm still not sure that all Scratch Wikis have an acconting system set up that is actually working. So I start a table with Questions we should answer for each Scratch Wikis accounting system. Please help to enlarge and fill this table + to set up the accounting systems.

continuiation of thread
If the accounting system of one languages wiki is not working, concerning technique, right explanation in the targe language, admin community that takes care...) we don't have to wonder, why that languages scratch wikis community don‘t work.

Lifay said, the russian scratch wiki asks for telefon numbers in the account system. That shoud not be, we should change that. Also I saw an open account-request in fr: here here where a telefon number was given: We shoud never asks for telefon numbers here, eMail is difficult enough... Mtwoll (talk) 15:39, 8 January 2018 (CET)


 * I've been working on the Russian Wiki on a caretaker basis, I have not seen anyone who could really begin to lead the community at this stage. I can find an editor though who could help me change that part of the account request section. MakeTheBrainHappy (talk) 21:49, 8 January 2018 (CET)
 * ru: no longer mentions the telephone number. I hope that solves that problem there. You should probably ask Smrman to remove the telephone number mention on fr: 00:40, 9 January 2018 (CET)
 * I'm ja's sysop. I made a guideline ja:JS:BEFORE - "Before Requesting". We check the account manually and accept/reject. The requirement is only "Scratcher" and "6 months from creation" Userpage is blank by default and the message is ja:MediaWiki:Confirmaccount-welcApple502j (talk) 06:49, 27 January 2018 (CET)

Should we actively invite authors?
The process of applying at the DACH-Scratch-Wiki is not easy since we change it to the new method, but it really helped to get rid of senseless application that only caused lots of admin work and never led to helpful authors. And we had very good application who made it get through that process. As with every non-english-scratch-wiki also the DACH-Scratch-Wiki has a lack of good and active authors, so we started a campaign to search, motivate and invite them actively, what even includes things that are forbidden at the English Scratch Wiki, like presenting a “German scratch project of the week”-ribbon at the Start Page, see: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.scratch-wiki.info%2Fwiki%2FScratch-Wiki%3AMitmachen! We also created personal invitation pages and posted a link to it at the user pages of Scratchers, who we think have potential to be a really good scratch wiki author. You see we used unusual strategies and invested a lot of efforts, but we have been really successful, see e.g: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.scratch-wiki.info%2Fwiki%2FScratch-Wiki%3AWeWantYou%2Fpapageigames&sandbox=1 and the result, one our most active authors, who would not have had the idea to apply, if we had not invited him: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.scratch-wiki.info%2Fwiki%2FBenutzer%3APapageigames So I’m just dreaming about having a “international scratch wiki author identifying, motivating and invitation bot”, who does the above process automatically for all languages ;-)

What do you think?

Mtwoll (talk) 20:26, 9 January 2018 (CET)
 * Could we get permission from the Scratch Team to let us crawl users’ activity for wiki invites? I know that seems like a long shot but it makes everything else much easier. 00:20, 10 January 2018 (CET)
 * Not a bot, but Griffpatch published a script in his Followers project that analyzes the followers of a user, this could be probably extended. Frodewin (talk) 16:43, 10 January 2018 (CET)


 * I think that it will absolutely be necessary to actively invite authors in order to improve some of the wikis. I get complaints on the Russian wiki about the lack of activity. MakeTheBrainHappy (talk) 15:43, 15 January 2018 (CET)

Wiki Wednesday 22
Hello everyone! Submissions to the new Wiki Wednesday are now open. If your language community has decided on someone to be their spokesperson in this matter and if this person wishes to receive the monthly email with the google forms submissions link, this person should please email me, including a link to their wiki profile, to their Scratch profile, their email adress they wish to use and if available proof that they have been chosen as a spokesperson. If your community has not chosen a spokesperson yet, please go ahead and talk to your community about it. I also encourage you to create a forum topic in your language forum on the Scratch website where you accept submissions for the Wiki Wednesday. Please ask if anything is unclear! -- LiFaytheGoblin (Talk|Contributions) 10:45, 22 January 2018 (CET)

Disable tag
It's not used and dangerous. If we can do that, please disable.(maybe LocalSettings.php?)

(by the way I made an extension which allows us to embed a project here) Apple502j (talk) 09:37, 27 January 2018 (CET)
 * I know that’s disabled in the english scratch wiki but in the german wiki we have it since 2012 without problems...we use it there for templates to embed scratch projects and videos...Mtwoll (talk) 18:19, 20 February 2018 (CET)

Wiki Wednesday 23
Hi, Wiki Wednesday 23 is happening soon. Suggestions for articles from test wikis are welcome as always :) You can use the Wiki Wednesday portal here: Test-Scratch-Wiki:Wiki Wednesday Suggestions. Please ask if you have any questions! - LiFaytheGoblin (Talk|Contributions) 21:09, 19 February 2018 (CET)

New bot
I made a bot named TWIBot, for this wiki. This bot adds interwikis to /translate pages. (Ken's cannot add other langs') All the codes are open at github. I tested this and all the tests went well!

@Kenny2scratch: Are you going to add this feature? If so, I'll mark this as done. @Everyone: Which one is better, Ken's or mine? Please discuss about this.Apple502j (talk) 12:43, 15 March 2018 (CET)
 * ✅ to my bot, and duly gave credit to you. Thank you for the contribution! 14:16, 15 March 2018 (CET)
 * @Apple502j: Great. I appriciate your contribution to the international scratch wiki community very much! - Mtwoll (talk) 20:49, 20 March 2018 (CET)

New Russian Wiki Administrators
Hi! This is a quick courtesy message to inform the Coaches about our two new Russian Wiki Administrators: asqwde and RuMaks. Have a great day! :) MakeTheBrainHappy (talk) 16:43, 17 June 2018 (CEST)
 * Yay! - LiFaytheGoblin (Talk|Contributions) 17:23, 19 June 2018 (CEST)

New Test Wiki Users
Potential new source of Wiki Users: here MakeTheBrainHappy (talk) 14:03, 30 June 2018 (CEST)
 * Yes, great chance! I think Scratchers that create such projects could be much more interested than other. We could contact every curator + contributor that seems to speak a needed kanguage individually at their userpage to ask, if they could be interested to contribute in the scratch wiki of their language. Who will help to do that? We also could at language related projects about the scratch wikis. More ideas? Mtwoll (talk) 11:16, 7 August 2018 (CEST)

Talk pages with prefix Talk:Kor:
I wanted to see the discussions on the talk page with the prefix Talk:Kor: but the prefix was changed into Kor talk:, and I can't see the discussions on the Talk:Kor: page. Is there a way to see the discussions on Talk:Kor: page?--Yellow0607 (talk) 09:58, 14 August 2018 (CEST)
 * Thank you for notifying me! I have now used a bot to move all pages with "Talk:Kor:" prefix to "Kor talk:". You should be able to access all of the discussion pages again. 10:58, 14 August 2018 (CEST)

New Community Portal and troubles in Turkish Wiki
✅ Hi everybody.I add New Community Portal(but I'm working now.)in Turkish but have trobles in Turkish Wiki.Turkish Wiki haven't active authors.I want to be an author in Turkish Wiki.I add my name this here: https://test.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Tur:Test_Scratch_Wiki_Home. And I look authors and look there https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/177091/ and I don't think Mysterymaker is know Turkish.Please,help.
 * Do you know any other Turkish Scratchers? They don't need to be on that topic.
 * It's disappointing that -MysteryMaker- doesn't truly know Turkish. I respect them less for that, but the Turkish wiki exists now. Again, I recommend you try to find anyone you know who speaks Turkish to help you out. 14:58, 26 October 2018 (CEST)


 * Thank you.


 * &#x2514;&#x2500;post by Ahmetlii  ( talk | contribs ) 11:23, 27 October 2018 (CEST)
 * &#x2514;&#x2500;post by Ahmetlii  ( talk | contribs ) 11:23, 27 October 2018 (CEST)

Old Turkish Community Portal
✅ This is old Turkish Community Portal: https://test.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Tur:Topluluk_Portal%C4%B1 Please,remove this page because new Turkish Community Portal is here: https://test.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Tur:Test-Scratch-Wiki_talk:Topluluk_Portal%C4%B1 Thank you. 11:09, 27 October 2018 (CEST)
 * Actually, I recommend you use the main page instead of the talk page - the English wiki has had problems with interwiki linking because its Community Portal is a talk page. I suggest you put your current talk-side content into the main side and redirect the talk side to the main side. 03:35, 28 October 2018 (CET)
 * Oof, never mind, it turns out using talk pages is the convention... I'll delete the old page. Thanks for letting me know. 03:38, 28 October 2018 (CET)
 * I don't know this,because I didn't edit Wikipedia.I'm editing my comments.I will write true for sample things.Thanks.14:21, 28 October 2018 (CET)

Planned downtime at 07:00 UTC
All wikis will be put into read-only mode at 7:00 AM (UTC) to move the files between machines. This means that you will not be able to edit pages, upload files, or make any kind of database-modifying actions. This is so that you do not lose your work after the transfer. This transfer will have the advantage of giving us more control over our own systems.

We have seen issues caused by read-only mode before, including but not limited to broken file thumbnails. If you see any issues, feel free to take note of them and report them after the transfer is done, but most likely the issues will disappear once the wikis are no longer read-only.

Letting you know, 04:45, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Update scratchblocks plugin
Hi, after the update from Scratch 2.0 to Scratch 3.0, many scratchblocks broke at the Fr Wiki and on the Internationnal Scratch Wiki. At the time the extension was last updated, some blocks still didn't have any translation for Scratch 3.0, or the translation of some blocks got changed. Anyway, stuff hapened and the fact is: some blocks are broken.

Can someone with FTP access update the Scratchblocks plugin. The version the server is currently running is the commit 99a20d2, with the latest commit at this time of writing on the repo being 0007a89.

I've asked Kenny2scratch a few times but all the other admins don't seem to care. Would be nice if someone could do it before Scratch 4.0 comes out. Thank you Smrman (talk) 20:26, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

InterWikiBot not running
Another thing I wanted to point out is the fact InterWikiBot hasn't been updating InterWiki links for years now. Yes, you heard me right, for years! Last time an InterWiki link was updated was on July 2, 2017 (2 years and a half ago) !!! I mean, the bot has been uploading pictures from Google Analytics every day since then. It's nice, but's nobody cares about that at the Fr Wiki, and I have access to the complete Analytics dashboard anyway. We just would like the interwiki links to come back.

I have no idea why it stopped running or why it has been shut down (if someone shut it down). Anyway, these links are very usefull, are we really are missing on something. So if anyone has some more explainations, please feel free to answer me. If the bot has been shut down because nobody was willing to run it / maintain it, feel free to message me too, I'm pretty sure we could get to an agreement. Smrman (talk) 20:26, 2 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi Smrman. I think WikiMonitor won't work about 2 years because of Scratch 3.0. Something must change in the Wikis like old More Blocks page - however, I updated it manually but in the real English wiki, nobody updated a lot of thing at Template: prefix like en:Template: Scratch Blocks(I can't translate it without an update, I'll update in real English wiki), so it's still a big problem for the all Wikis. Also, real English wiki is still updating page like My Blocks page - probably I will need rewrite it in future, but my main task is real Turkish Wiki - . I think we must talk with ErnieParke.  20:06, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Questions about translating templates
--Whengreenflagclicked (talk) 18:55, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) Should translate templates be used at the top of template pages? There are currently 21 templates in Korean, and I think it is unclear which (Korean) templates are translated from which (English) templates.
 * 2) Some templates like -, outdent, and Header Template don't have any text to translate, so they are used often in Korean pages. Do these templates have to be made (in the Korean namespace) as well?
 * 3) I have almost always translated the documentations along with the templates before, but it usually takes more than an hour for me to translate each of them because I spend a lot of time on checking spelling mistakes or missing information. Do documentations have a high priority? Or is it better to create other pages first?
 * Apologies for week-late reply!
 * Yes, but put them inside noinclude tags like this:
 * The names of the templates themselves (except -, which truly has no text in any language) might need translation, depending on what your community decides. If you (plural) feel that "outdent" should be translated, then the template does need to be translated like a normal one with text.
 * Content pages are your highest priority. Spend more time on what not-logged-in users will use than on what logged-in ones will.
 * Hope that clarifies things! 10:09, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Changing Tur:Test_Scratch_Wiki_Home
Can I make it more interesting? Dilek10 (talk) 07:33, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure, but that page will not be carried over to the Turkish wiki if it ever becomes real... it's specific to the Turkish test wiki. Did you want to spice up Tur:Ana Sayfa instead? That's also fine, but for now I'd recommend you focus on translating content (especially templates!) 13:53, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion! I hope Scratch Wiki becomes a real wiki someday. Dilek10 (talk) 17:55, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * But, I have a problem. How do you translate templates? Dilek10 (talk) 18:07, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * As an example, let's say you're translating Template:Stub; Google Translate tells me that's "Taslak" in Turkish.
 * Create Template:Tur/Taslak (note the different prefix form!)
 * At the top, add  - no line break afterwards!!! So the   part (yes, translate Template:Header Template too!) must immediately follow the noinclude:
 * Edit or create Template:Stub/translate with the same format as any translate page; however, the line to edit/add is  (with namespace this time)
 * When using the template, use
 * Hope that helps! 07:43, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I created Template:Header Template in Turkish therefore I didn't add the translate codes. Thanks.
 * Note for translate: When you create translate page(Template:Header Template/translate), use the codes like this:
 * If you don't do that, it will not work. 09:01, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! But  doesn't work. Is there something that I should do for it? Dilek10 (talk) 16:53, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

I created it. For the codes, check the recent changes. I hope you can create new translate pages. 12:10, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Maybe you should add Bengali Wiki to the List of Wikis on the sidebar?
Bengali Wiki is still in its early stages and I am yet to translate a lot of articles. Nevertheless, I have created and am updating the Bengali Wiki Homepage and translating as much as possible by only one person (me).

&#35;R4356th (talk) 13:43, 27 May 2020 (UTC)


 * You are right. They must add the link under Test header. And, if somebody will change it, please move Turkish link to https:test.scratch-wiki.info/Tur:Ana_Sayfa so I will add a delete template to my redirect.
 * For admins, please delete this page or move it. 16:29, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ on both counts - I have changed "Anasayfa" to "Ana Sayfa" in various places and Bengali is also in the "Scratch Wikis" panel now. 06:37, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, kenny2scratch. &#35;R4356th (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Scratchsig vulnerability patched
An arbitrary HTML exploit was discovered by Apple502j which scratchsig tags did not escape HTML, allowing for any html, including JavaScript to be executed. I have patched this vulnerability and jvvg has deployed it. Please see https://github.com/InternationalScratchWiki/wiki-scratchsig/security/advisories/GHSA-gp9v-pg9f-vmp6 for more information. Thank you. Naleksuh (talk) 03:44, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * We're only using scratchsig on English Scratch Wiki, here's no problem. 06:11, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Make the wikis less En Wiki centric + concistency across all wikis less En Wiki centric
1. Even tho the En wiki is the oldest and is the formal "official" Scratch wiki, all Scratch wikis should now be equal, even if they have less users or are less active and if most Scratch users are from the US. It's why the En wiki is located at en.scratch-wiki.info and not at scratch-wiki.info. The Wiki should probably be renamed "English Scratch Wiki" or "English-speaking Scratch Wiki" or "Scratch Wiki in English".

This leads to...

2. We should keep a consistency across al wikis All wikis have different name but they are not consistent. E.g the Nl Wiki is called "Dutch Scrathc-Wiki" but the De Wiki is called "Das deutschsprachige Scratch-Wiki" (the German-speaking Scratch-Wiki) and the Fr Scratch Wiki is called "Scratch Wiki en français" (Scratch Wiki in French (language)). All wiki should have a consistent naming scheme (language + dash between Scratch and Wiki or not). ✅ All wiki should have the same skins available (Hu Scratch Wiki still doesn't have the ScratchWikiSkin v2) The naming scheme for all namesapces should be consistent (Wiki-specific namespace is called "Scratch Wiki" on En Wiki but "Scratch Wiki en Français" on Fr Wiki, "Scratch-Wiki" on De, etc...) ✅ All wikis should have the same extensions installed. It's easier than keeping track of what wiki has this or that extension installed when trying to do something.
 * Wiki name
 * Wiki skins
 * Wiki namespaces
 * Wiki extensions

Smrman (talk) 16:37, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't like renaming it to English Scratch Wiki. I think that while Scratch Wiki is a collective name, I also think that just Scratch Wiki is both shorter and simpler, I don't see a reason to specify "*English* Scratch Wiki" for people who may never visit others. However, it could be taken the wrong way that it is the "main" one. What I would support is removing language names from other non-english wikis.
 * Having the same skins available is something that is up to ISW to fix, however, the fact that the wiki has 67 articles is probably a much bigger problem.
 * Project namespaces are up to local communities to decide (i.e. here we use "Test-Scratch-Wiki" even though "Test Scratch Wiki" or just "Scratch Wiki" would arguably make much more sense.
 * Different communities have different needs. French Wiki needs a YouTube extension, but the English Wiki never touches it. Naleksuh (talk) 01:56, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Mediawiki Upgrade and resulting downtime
Hi everyone,

I will be upgrading MediaWiki to version 1.35 at 3pm Scratch Time, or 7pm UTC today. This will result in some downtime, anywhere from 30 to 120 minutes. Hopefully it will be on the shorter end of that, as in upgrading other Wikis (we have upgraded EN, FR, and JA so far) we have ironed out most of the issues. jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:05, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Adding Babel boxes
I think we should add Babel boxes, like they have over on WP. This is an easy way to signify the languages you speak on your userpage, and it's easy to see for other people. The (probably) easiest way to do this is by adding the Babel extension. VFDan (talk) 01:28, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: this is only for the test wiki. 14:20, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I think this is a great idea!+1 Dominic305 (talk) 17:43, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I support Purvitekriwal (talk) 06:58, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki Wednesday
Can Test Wiki submit an article for Wiki Wednesday? If yes, how? Thanks! IA-maker (talk) 08:13, 12 May 2021 (UTC) jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:31, 12 May 2021 (UTC) jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:38, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, Test Wikis can be featured in Wiki Wednesday. For example, on March 31, 2021 Turkish was featured. You can suggest articles on this topic. (Yo hablo español y puedo ayudar con el proceso de preparer para Wiki Wednesday.)
 * Muchas gracias^^
 * No sé si el Community Portal es el lugar adecuado para discutir esto, pero creo que se necesitaría un artículo general ...IA-maker (talk) 05:13, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Puedes usar el CP para discutir algún idea, especialmente ideas que no tienen lugares específicos. No tienes un CP para español, pero puedes crearlo.
 * Vale. He creado un CP para el wiki español^^IA-maker (talk) 13:00, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Suggestion
I would like to suggest a page for every scratch wiki home sharing article already made in that particular wiki and articles that have the previously featured from that wiki (for test, real and demo wikis). 12:06, 3 January 2022 (IST)
 * So do you mean something like en:S:WW but an universal version of it? I guess it's just too much of hassle for the bcrats to manage frequently. 07:49, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

No, I want a area in home page which will have all link to all previously featured articles in wiki wednesday and also a link to a area which will tell which articles are there in the language of which home page link we click from Purvitekriwal (talk) 07:44, 13 January 2022 (UTC)


 * done now it is already present i could not see it justPurvitekriwal (talk) 06:58, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

No active hindi authors and many non updated english wiki articles
I have question tat how should i edit without any hindi author in hindi wiki? I would like some help if someone can. Of demo english wiki i can see many non uddated articles. Should I update them as much as possible?Purvitekriwal (talk) 06:57, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * You need to try recruiting authors. As the FAQ said, "the wiki is not one-person job.". However, if you couldn't find anyone willing to or if they went inactive after a short period, IMO you need to carry on the wiki yourself. There isn't much to do if that's the case, unfortunately - other than trying to recruit more and more editors.
 * You don't need to update the old articles in the test wiki manually, just copy-paste from the real English Wiki to translate. The demo wiki system is an outdated and dumb one after all. 07:20, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Ohk is it allowed to add some info promoting wiki on our forum signature and also i think demo wiki is the best system as it helps me translate articles and when i copy pasted from english wiki i also created a page for that old one from 2.0 for 2.0 users shall i add the historical perspective template as i am not sure because still we can use 2.0 format in offline editor. Sometimes just TOROTV is active in hindi wiki. I would like if you can offer ssome help. Purvitekriwal (talk) 11:09, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Messed up
Hindi Wiki articles have been messed up many a things have been changed to this page needs to be deleted i had translated sandbox and everything has goone missing except now there is a deleted template and no one except me is there in hindi wiki and i use random page to get to pages and i got those and all have that therePurvitekriwal (talk) 04:26, 21 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, see my explanations on my talk page. Smrman (talk) Smrman's_logo.gif 18:23, 21 February 2022 (UTC)